Mansur John b. 10 NOV 1705 d. ABT AUG 1776 Methuen, Essex, Massachusetts, USA

1705 - 1776

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Birth 10 Nov 1705 [1, 2]

Gender Male

_UPD 16 AUG 2009 21:51:36 GMT-5

Died Abt Aug 1776 Methuen, Essex, Massachusetts, USA [3]

Buried Methuen, Essex, Massachusetts, USA [4]

Person ID I5025 Alan Donald Vibber

Last Modified 08 Dec 2009

Father Manser or Mansur John, b. Abt 1670

Mother Hinshaw or Henshaw Elizabeth, b. 30 Jul 1678, of Charlestown, Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts

Married 03 Jun 1701

Family ID F2118 Group Sheet

Family Lovejoy Hannah

Married 31 Dec 1732 Andover, Essex, Massachusetts, USA [1, 5]

Children

	1. Mansur John, b. 21 Jun 1734, Andover, Essex, Massachusetts, USA
	2. Mansur William, b. 01 Jan 1737, Dracut, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA , d. 1808
	3. Mansur James
	4. Mansur Elizabeth
	5. Mansur Samuel

Family ID F2116 Group Sheet

Notes	THIRD GENERATION. III. 1-2. John Mansur of Methuen, appears to be that John born in 1705, son of John, supposed son of Robert. If so, he would have been of age in 1726. He first comes to notice in 1729. John Mansur of Andover for £72 N. E. money (i. e., $235) buys of Abel Astin and his wife Sarah of Methuen, forty acres in Methuen, bounded on John Guttason, Jr., Thomas Astin, James Baker, and John Guttason; deed dated 15 April, 1729; acknowledged 14 May, 1729; recorded 10 July, 1740. Essex Deeds, 79-134- John Mansur of Andover, husbandman, buys of Thomas Astin and wife Sarah of Methuen, for £26, land there, being 20 acres, bounding on Benj. Gage, by Haverhill former line, late Eben. Barker, so on Haverhill line and William Gutterson. 24 May, 1726; ackowledged 27 May, 1729; recorded 10 July, 1740. Essex Deeds, 79-134. Examination of Quarterly Sessions fails to find any notification of Mansur from any town in Essex as late as 1736. John Mansur of Methuen, married in Andover 31 Dec., 1732, Hannah Lovejoy of the South Parish. Andover Records. It is not clear who Hannah was. The Lovejoys are an old Andover family. Thomas Astin, or Austin, who sold the land above described, had married in 1714, Sarah, daughter of Christopher Lovejoy. There was a Hannah, daughter of Joseph Lovejoy (by his wife Sarah Pritchard), born on n Feb., 1693-4, but she could hardly have been the mother of John Mansur's children. There is no settlement of the estate of Christopher Lovejoy. It has been thought Hannah may have been his daughter. John Manser (spelled Mancer on rolls) served in the French war. He was of the Train Band of Methuen in 1757. Mass. Archives, pj-2p$. John Mancer, Jr., was also of the Train Band. John Mancer appears on a muster roll sworn to i March, 1759, as of Lieut. Chandler's company, Col. Osgood's regiment, which marched on an alarm to the relief of Fort William Henry, Aug., 1757. They marched from Andover 15 Aug., to Worcester. Dated Andover i March, 1759. Mass. Archives, pj- 298. It is quite possible that this was the younger John. Andover records contain no references to the family of John Mansur. Administration on the estate of John Mansur of .Methuen, yeoman, was granted to the relict Hannah, 5 Aug., 1776. Samuel Mansur was a surety. The inventory shows £55. Children:— 1-2-1. John. 1-2-2. William, born I Jan., 1737. -2-4. James, born 7 Sept., 1744. 1-2-3. Elizabeth, m 28 Sept., 1758, at Methuen, to Samuel Bodwell. 1-2-5. Samuel, m. 2 May, 1765, at Methuen, to Sarah Varnum of Dracut. Mr. Moses Mansur wrote the following account of the origin of the family, to his sister Lucinda :— " When I was a little boy I was much in my grandmother's part of the house; people would come in and talk over old times. I listened. Our great-grandfather was born in 1702 and came from Jersey, an island belonging to England, lying near the French Coast. He was of French origin, Mansur being French. " I have often heard grandmother, my grandmother, say when she was small the men were busy in the summer time at three o'clock in the morning. The women would put the saddle-bags on the horse and go off to Haverhill shopping, so as to get back before dark. Haverhill was the nearest trading place then, and the road was full of stumps, stones, and woods." Mary (Harris) Mansur and her friends, talking of old times, would leave but a more or less confused account in the mind of a young lad. It is doubtful if the first John, being not more than ten when his father died, knew much about the origin of the family. It is quite possible Robert came from Jersey. The John of Methuen might easily have become confounded with John, son of Robert, his father, in the mind of the youthful listener. He appears to have been a man of prominence in the community and was what was called a " lithing man." This curious office is now obsolete, but during its continuance it was a very important part of the economy of the New England village, and brought the official into very close relations with the townspeople. While his duties were connected with the church, he was also a town officer, and had many semi- secular duties to perform. Each tithing man had several neighboring families under his charge, originally ten, as the word " tithing " would signify. He enforced the learning of the church catechism at home, sometime during the week visited the houses to hear the children recite their catechism. These families he watched especially on Sundays, to see whether they all attended church and did not loiter on the way. In some Massachusetts towns he was ordered to watch on week days to keep " boys and all persons from swimming in the water." Truly ten large families, with many boys, such aswere common in New England, must have kept him busy on hot August days. He inspected taverns and reported all disorderly persons within, forbade the sale of intoxicating liquors to them, had power as a constable to arrest any evil-doer, administered the " oath of fidelity" to new citizens, and warned undesirable visitors to' leave town. He could arrest persons who walked or rode at too fast a pace while going to meeting on Sunday, or who made needless visits or took unnecessary rides on Sunday, or otherwise broke the Sunday laws. Within the meeting house the tithing man kept order by beating out dogs, correcting unruly and noisy boys, and waking those who slept. To accomplish this, he sometimes walked up and down the church aisles, carrying a stick which had a knob on one end, and a dangling foxtail on the other. It is said that he tapped the boys on the headwith the knobbed end of the stick, and tickled the faces of sleeping church attendants with the fox-tail. In those days everybody old and young, was supposed to attend church. If any one was absent it was noticed, and if the absence continued three Sundays it was the duty of the tithing man to visit the family and ascertain the cause. Some old churches had tithing men until the beginning of this century. John Mansur lived and died a strict Puritan, and now lies buried at Methuen, Mass., beside his son, James Mansur. (III) John Mansur, of Methuen, appears to be lhat John who was born in 1705, the son of John, the latter having been presumed to be the son of Robert. John_first comes to notice in 1729, when John Mansur, of Andpver, bought land of Abel Astin. He married, in Andover, December 31, 1732, Hannah Lovejoy, of an old Andover family of that name. This John Mansur was undoubtedly the person mentioned as John Mancer, and who served during the early part of the French and Indian wars, was member of the train band of Methuen in 1757. and whose name appears on the muster roll of Lieutenant Chandler's company of Colonel Osgood's regiment which marched to the relief of Fort William Henry in August, 1757. The children of John and Hannah (Lovejoy) Mansur were: John, William. James, Elizabeth and Samuel.

Sources

[S260] A Partial Record of the Mansur Family, John Hoffman Mansur, (Name: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 1901;), 15 (Reliability: 3).
[S260] A Partial Record of the Mansur Family, John Hoffman Mansur, (Name: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 1901;), 8 (Reliability: 3).
[S260] A Partial Record of the Mansur Family, John Hoffman Mansur, (Name: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 1901;), 16 (Reliability: 3).
[S260] A Partial Record of the Mansur Family, John Hoffman Mansur, (Name: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 1901;), 18 (Reliability: 3).
[S232] Genealogical and Family History of the State of New Hampshire: A Record of the Achievements of Her People in the Making of a Commonwealth and the Founding of a Nation, Lewis publishing company, Chicago, (Name: The Lewis publishing company, 1908;), 709 (Reliability: 3).